Also, Douglas never hovered around 7 assists. You’re right, if he did that, it would’ve been phenomenal. However, his best months he averaged just 3.6. Even if you just look at games where he was a starter it only goes up to 3.8. The whole year he only even reached the 7 assist barrier 3 times (2x getting 7 exactly, and once with a season high of 8).

Yes, they have their whole careers ahead of them, so who knows? I like Toney, don’t get me wrong, but you have to admit that Collison put up some very, very, very impressive stats for almost half a season.

And I disagree about the Douglas being a 2. He hovered around 7 assists a game, which is great for a rookie. He doesn’t have the shot to be a 2 and matches up very well on defense with PG’s around the league.

And yeah, I agree with you 100%. I’d love to get Collison.

Douglas does also seem to me to be more of a 2 and isn’t a great assist man. However, if the Knicks do get a swingman (like LeBron, Joe Johnson or Wade) who handles the ball a bunch, creating shots for himself and others, that star could play the Steve Nash PG role, while Douglas plays the role of Derek Fisher (or if we wanna stick to D’Antoni’s previous players, then Raja Bell). Or to translate into Blazer-onian: a Steve Blake to a Brandon Roy. Um, but not as bad. A Steve Blake who can play defense and shoot really well.

So, here is the short version of what I said:

I like Douglas and he impressed me a lot at the end of the season… but are you kidding me? Collison was a freak of nature!!! During the 23 games from Jan 30th to March 17th (when I’m pretty sure Paul was out) he was AVERAGING 19.4 pts on 49.3 FG% with almost 11 assists. 11!!!!!! A freakin’ rookie. The kid isn’t going to be great, he IS great, and any team that can snag him this early in his career would be wise to do so in my opinion.

Now granted, he had more chances than Douglas to show us his stuff, but he did it repeatedly and consistently, and Douglas didn’t even get over 7 assists on any given night this season. Collisons high this season was 20!!! I could write a fairly good list of great PG’s that never got a 20 assist night in their entire career, and he’s doing this stuff as a rookie.

Douglas seems more like a 2-guard to me anyway, and not a PG you want running Coach D’s offense. But even if you keep him as a scorer, Collison outdoes him there too. Collison even had a couple of 30+ pt performances (35 being his high).

So anyway, I think Curry’s contract would be well worth giving up for a chance at that kid. Could you imagine him putting up those type of numbers AND having 2 max (or close to max) free agents join with him!

I’m trying to remember why I care so much about the knicks as a Blazer fan? Maybe Kevin Pritchard can work out a deal for him (before he gets fired for no good reason).

ok, time to Ctrl+C this time just in case

However, your point about the difference in minutes is a big ol’ valid one. While BBall-Reference doesn’t have splits for their Per 36 minutes stats (which, for those who don’t know, eliminates the minutes difference in players by figuring out what everyone’s stats would be if they all played only 36 minutes), so you can’t look at just post-All Star #s or end-of-the-season #s. But if you look at the full season Per 36#s, it proves your point that there isn’t quite as wide a margin between the two players. Their point production is nearly identical, & TD actually gets a slight edge in the steal category. And while the assists margin gets closer, Collison still doubles TD at 7.4 to 3.7. Plus the %s are of course still a bit better.

I think part of whether one thinks the trade is good or not also depends on one’s view of Emeka Okafor, ‘cuz really it’s his salary that matches up against Curry. I like him and think he’d shore up the middle, so I think it’d definitely be a good deal. Particularly since we’re getting nothing out of Curry. But I assume your point is that you think we could get more for Curry.

Basketball-Reference has different numbers. Collison played over a 1,000 more minutes then Douglas, took almost 400 more shots, took roughly 100 less 3′s, and shot 5% higher from the line.

All in all, trading for Collison won’t be worth trading Curry and others.

In the Collison vs. Douglas debate, I dunno if I’d say Douglas played GREAT in the second half of the season, but he did play well. However, compare their post-All Star stats:
Tony – 44.1%fg | 40.7%3pt | 79.6ft% | 3.2ast | 1.1TO | 1.1stl | 11.0pts
Collison – 50.9fg% | 45.2%3pt | 84.8%ft | 8.7ast | 3.7TO | 1.4stl | 18.9pts

Except for in TOs (which, granted, is a huuuge stat), Collison is markedly better in every stat. To shoot over 50% as a point guard, let alone a rookie pg, is insanely good. And as amazing as Tony’s over 40% shooting from 3-pt land was, somehow Collison was even more phenomenal at over 45%!

I also wouldn’t want any part of trading for Collison. Sure, he played well for Paul last season, but trading for him would be utterly useless considering we already have another young point guard who ALSO played great in the second half of the season in Douglas. I’d rather just keep Douglas than trade for Collison.

In regards to Kerr, I think Kerr and Sarver were split on paying Amare max money or not and this goes back to letting Johnson go a few years back. And there’s reports that Sarver wanted Kerr to take a pay decrease. All in all, Amare’s future in Phoenix is still 50-50.

And to add to the Boozer or Lee debate I’ll take Lee every single time. Boozer brings nothing Lee doesn’t bring to the table offensively and defensively and comes at a much cheaper price.

Lastly, I think Alston would be a nice pick up for the right price. He’s a hometown guy who’s played in big games and lead very good teams. Just a year ago he led a Magic finals run, so I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing him and giving him a shot.

So… what do you think the chances are of him reading that and then changing his mind?